- Two friends of the author E. Jean Carroll confirmed to The New York Times that she told them that she was assaulted by Donald Trump in the mid-’90s.
- Lisa Birnbach told The Times she advised Carroll to go to the police. Carol Martin said she advised her friend to stay silent because of Trump’s wealth and power.
- Carroll said in a book excerpt published last week that she was attacked by Trump in a dressing room at the Bergdorf Goodman department store in Manhattan.
- Trump has denied the accusation, saying Carroll is “not my type.”
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Two women have gone on the record to confirm that the author E. Jean Carroll told them that she was sexually assaulted by Donald Trump in the mid-’90s.
Speaking on Thursday’s episode of “The Daily,” a podcast by The New York Times, Carroll recounted her story alongside her friends Carol Martin and Lisa Birnbach, who were both also New York journalists at the time.
Carroll said in an excerpt of her latest book published last week by New York magazine that Trump attacked her in a dressing room in the Bergdorf Goodman department store. Trump, now the president of the United States, has denied the allegation.
Carroll said that she bumped into Trump while shopping and that he jokingly asked her to model lingerie for him.
She said that in the dressing room, Trump attempted to kiss her, pinned her against the wall, and assaulted her.
Carroll said she called Birnbach not long after she managed to escape. In the podcast, Birnbach, who at points spoke directly with Carroll, said:
“I remember her saying repeatedly, ‘He pulled down my tights.'”
“Which got me to think that was as far as it went.”
“Honestly, you did say, ‘He put his penis in me.’ And I said… ‘What? He raped you?’ And you said, ‘He kept pulling – he pulled down my tights. He pulled down my tights.'”
“It was horrible, we thought, and I said, ‘Let’s go to the police.’ ‘No.’ ‘Come to my house.’ ‘No, I want to go home.'”
Birnbach said Carroll told her: “It was 15 minutes of my life. It’s over. Don’t ever tell anybody. I just had to tell you.”
Carroll said that one to three days later, she called Martin, who at the time was a news anchor on WCBS-TV in New York.
Martin said she told her friend to stay silent because of Trump’s wealth and power.
“I said, ‘Don’t tell anybody. I wouldn’t tell anybody this,'” Martin said on the podcast.
Carroll said she ultimately stayed silent for decades because she blamed herself for the incident.
She wrote that the accusations against the former Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein and the #MeToo movement led her to speak out.
The White House did not immediately respond to Business Insider’s request on Thursday for comment on Birnbach’s and Martin’s accounts.
Trump has denied Carroll’s accusation, saying she was “totally lying.”
“I’ll say it with great respect: No. 1, she’s not my type. No. 2, it never happened. It never happened, OK?” Trump told The Hill.
Carroll wrote in the excerpt that she told two friends, descriptions of whom match Birnbach and Martin, about the incident. New York magazine said it corroborated that Carroll did share her account with the two friends.
Carroll is one of at least 17 women who have come forward to accuse Trump of sexual assault or inappropriate sexual behaviour. The president has denied all the accusations.
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