Rep. Brad Sherman clashed with Fox News host Tucker Carlson over the congressman’s introduction of the articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump over his handling of the investigation into his 2016 campaign.
In an interview on Wednesday evening, the conservative anchor argued that Sherman’s impeachment push was frivolous, while the California Democrat said that, if nothing else, attempting to impeach Trump could bring about “competence” in the White House.
“Why are you doing this?” Carlson asked. “Of course, he’s not going to be impeached in this congressional term, knowing what we know now.”
“The hope is that it triggers an intervention in the White House,” Sherman said. “That his staff is able to say, ‘Now it is real articles, and for that, and for so many other reasons, Mr. President, you have to stop announcing reversals in foreign policy at 4 in the morning in 140 characters, you have to stop making foreign policy decisions in complete ignorance of the facts.'”
“You’re impeaching him so he’ll stop tweeting?” Carlson responded.
When Carlson pointed out that bashing Trump has resulted in Democratic electoral losses, Sherman pushed back against the claim, saying “I snuck on your show,” to make a point about healthcare.
“Focusing on Trump the man, his tweeting, on his character — you may or may not have a case, but it hasn’t worked for you, it hasn’t spoken to the needs of voters, and that is demonstrable in its election results,” Carlson said.
Sherman responded, “I want to come on your show and talk about how terrible Trumpcare is, and how we have to preserve Obamacare, but you didn’t invite me on the show to talk about it.”
Carlson said that “that’s not what Democrats are spending their time doing.”
Sherman replied, “That’s what I spend my time doing, I just don’t get on your show, so it doesn’t count.”
Though congressional Democrats have speculated about potentially impeaching Trump — Rep. Maxine Waters has said that she is “trying to impeach this president” — Sherman and Rep. Al Green are the first to introduce an actual measure to remove Trump.
Wednesday’s impeachment articles cite Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanours” for potential obstruction of justice, citing his decision to fire former FBI Director James Comey after asking him to drop the investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.
The California congressman has also been a consistent presence on Fox News over the past several months, appearing on Carlson’s show on numerous occasions, one of few elected Democratic members who has agreed to consistently go on the program.